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Kath's avatar

Kids really notice when students who are markedly worse behaved than them get rewarded and it's sad. The last school I worked at had a system called "positive referrals." They could be really great! Students who were observed by teachers doing something well or going above and beyond by being kind or community oriented would get a positive version of a write up, that notification would go to the principal, and then at the end of the week the principal would congratulate the student and share the nice message their teacher wrote about them, as well as giving them a print out to show to their parents.

HOWEVER.......

The kids who got the most PRs were actually the ones who were the worst behaved. Students who were usually terrible doing the absolute BARE MINIMUM would get a PR for not being disruptive, while the students who were consistently wonderful and hardworking get nothing. I remember seeing an interaction between ninth graders where students were talking about how a classmate of theirs who had a lot of behavioral issues but had improved slightly over the year got SEVEN PRs in one week, while the students talking who were both very lovely hardworkers who never got in trouble hadn't gotten a single PR, ever. I immediately wrote them PRs of course, but it felt really illustrative of how general positive reward system behaviors work.

Additionally, the chronic behavior issues mean that students who are generally well behaved and want to work hard get pushed up into accelerated classes regardless of how advanced they are with the material. Many accelerated students are below grade level, but they are pleasant and well behaved, and to avoid having to deal with their terribly behaved classmates have selected a "challenge by choice" option. Not being allowed to fail students results in AC standards being continually lowered. And because we've gotten rid of leveling, the teachers down at the bottom are left with classmates FULL of poorly behaved students, and the actually advanced students aren't able to take a truly advanced class.

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Clare Seguin's avatar

A big part of the problem comes from the aversion to punishment. I’m not talking about physical punishment, but loss of privileges that really ARE a loss. Sitting and having a long, boring talk with some creepy, caring professional isn’t cutting it. Kids blow that off. In elementary school, losing field trips was a really big deal. Teachers took all kinds of really fun field trips at my school, and could use it as incentive for kids to keep it together for weeks. Then, our SJW principal decided that was too mean, and we had to have “full inclusion” field trips. There goes a great lever teachers had, plus, as field trips became more and more untenable due to behavior problems, they took fewer and fewer and now take only rare ones. This is a microcosm of the problem as a whole.

Punishment could also involve real work- weeding garden, shoveling mulch, cleaning playground- and that might help some kids who just have a ton of energy and school is hard for them to deal with.

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